911 recording from Kenosha County Tornado on 1/7/08

[Jarrod Cook]

Here is a link for an approximately 14 minute audio recording of Kenosha County, WI 911 as the tornado is approaching their county. It is a very good thing to hear. I suggest you try to listen to it all. It starts off a bit slow, then gets real interesting about half way through.

It really gives you an appreciation for the 911 operators and how busy they can get, as well as the patience they must have when dealing with the public. It also shows you how ignorant so many people are with the weather and the tornado warnings. I couldn't believe how many people called in to ask why the sirens were going off (and you can hear the sirens in a few calls).

I was disturbed by the fire chief who called in to say he spotted the tornado, and that they "need to get some wx bulletins out because there was no warning!" Jeeze, pay attention buddy!

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=705677

Edit: I see Mike Smith posted the link in the Tornado Emergency thread...but I'll leave it here for more visibility.

[Jim Zandonai]

Yeah that was interesting..it does show you how unaware many people are..
I assume the siren inquires increased maybe due to it being January but in any event people need weather radios.
Those 911 dispatchers ..omg talk about busy and outside of a Tornado warning its a daily thing of one thing or another..

[Bob Hartig]

I'm glad you started this thread. I listened to the recording on Mike's posting, and I was struck by some of the things you've mentioned, particularly the number of people who called in to ask whether the alarms they were hearing were tornado alarms, and whether they meant business. I guess that's understandable, considering the time of year, but still... I was shocked to hear one woman's response when she was told the alarm was a tornado alarm. Her reply was something like, "Oh, nothing to worry about, then." Wrong, the 911 operator told her, she needed to take the alarm seriously Good grief, when do you start worrying? When an I-beam comes flying through the picture window?

Also, did you catch the part where someone called in to report an accident, and a while later someone reported the tornado heading toward the accident? Now that's the kind of situation that'll relieve consitipation in a hurry.

[John Wetter]

I think that 911 operator needs recognition, and many people for the most part need to get a clue. The only thing we as the chaser community can do is try to tell people to pay attention to the weather. We'll never get everyone there, but we can try. There has been some discussion about the EM person calling in as well, but I'd mention that this is standard procedure in some smaller counties. They call in on a non-emergency line that gets answered in the same place as the 911 calls. I don't know that to be the case, but would guess it is so. Very interesting and nice insight in to what happens during a tornado in a 911 center.

-John

[Doug Raflik]

Ugh... I am SOOO embarrassed to be a Wisconsinite after hearing the beginning of that recording. Maybe those were people closer to the Illinois state line. LOL. JK IL. Sure did get intense fast. As a scanner monitor this was a very neat recording to listen to.

Doug Raflik

[John Diel]

This recording is a beatiful example of how quickly things go to pot in a very big hurry. First, confusion reigns as it's January and everyone KNOWS Tornadoes don't happen in Januaury, right?

Then the accident call. Tornado warnings going off on a possible tornado at this point (no calls or reports? At least not to the Dispatcher) and add to the mix an accident, then a fight call.

Think someone was getting a little busy? I'll bet there are calls we didn't hear. Now lets really add to this mix by getting reports of Tornado damage and definite sightings. Tornado is making a bee line to the accident sight where we have several people that may, or may not be aware of the immediate threat. Good call on the citizens part.

Those Dispatchers did an awesome job. They kept their cool and did their best to get out the timely information.

To the Fire Department that called in. I hear some criticism going on here. I don't think I would. I know I certainly would not be expecting a tornado in early January. It's also entirely possibly that they were not in radio communication or at the station with no power. That would be my guess given the phone call.

The EM person also did the right thing. She was apparently someplace out of communication and called to find out what was happening once she became aware that there was indeed a crisis brewing. It's not the first time in history that someone was caught unawares. To her credit, she got the essentail information and got off the phone.

Given what I heard on this clip and knowing what happened weather wise, I would tend to say that the event went rather well for those involved. It appears that for the most part, people did what they were supposed to.

Having done Emergency Dispatching here in Oklahoma, I can assure you that the calls of "what are the sirens for?" are not isolated. Even on something that was known ahead of time in the middle of Torado season. Those kinds of calls come in. I was a 911 Dispatch instructor for several years and I would have loved to had that clip in some of my classes.

I hope someone will get permission to use that in next years Storms of 2008 DVD. Stuff like that would make a great addition to the urgency that we as chasers sometimes miss.

[Shane Adams]

We have talked about this until we're blue in the face. Obviously it just doesn't get through to most people. However I'd attribute most of it to the location and time of year. Most people in the Plains are clueless in May, imagine how that number jumps exponentially when you make the setting Wisconsin in early January. I'm not at all shocked by any of that tape, it's what I'd expect.

I'd be interested in hearing the SKYWARN net tape between spotters and the NWS from that event, and any local news media. Maybe no one in the county was watching television that day???

[Mike Smith]

The reason I originally posted it in the Tornado Emergency Thread is because it reminds us that there seem to be many people who don't seem to understand a tornado warning. One of my several reasons to disagree with the use of "Tornado Emergency" is (remember, we are talking about the general public here) confusion: Hmmm. Let me think...Which is worse, a warning or an emergency? If you were one of those clueless callers, I don't think the answer would be obvious.

The TE thread was interesting and useful to me, thanks to everyone who commented. In that thread, I made the point that, from my point of view, all tornado warnings are emergencies. If we really believe "Tornado Emergency" phrasing is what is needed to get people into shelter, maybe we should change the terminology from Tornado Warning to Tornado Emergency. Just a thought.

[Danny Neal]

I wonder if any of the local media mentioned a risk of at least thunderstorms a day in advance? I am sure most people have their "favorite" weatherman on local television who they watch religiously like many do around here. If Tom Skilling says the sky is going to be red tomorrow then by golly it's going to be red! My mom was a dispatcher and I let her listen to this and she sort of laughed because she said she had to deal with the exact same thing. So indeed it isn't an isolated occurrence. I got a chuckle out of the caller at the end "Uh hi! I am calling to report a tornado in my backyard LOL" I could understand how the chief of fire from Wheatland said they had no knowledge of the situation, but that goes with the question of what is their standard alert method? Anytime severe weather usually is imminent or a watch is issued a page gets sent out to all the local emergency services alerting them. I haven't seen the warning lead time to tornado touchdown stats yet but I really have not looked either. It seems like most everyone was on top of things even on a January day. The fact that the callers knew something was up to call into 911. Whether it be NWS, NWR, News, radio, even 911, the word got out and lives were saved.

[Kevin Bowman]

I wonder if any of the local media mentioned a risk of at least thunderstorms a day in advance? I am sure most people have their "favorite" weatherman on local television who they watch religiously like many do around here. If Tom Skilling says the sky is going to be red tomorrow then by golly it's going to be red! My mom was a dispatcher and I let her listen to this and she sort of laughed because she said she had to deal with the exact same thing. So indeed it isn't an isolated occurrence. I got a chuckle out of the caller at the end "Uh hi! I am calling to report a tornado in my backyard LOL" I could understand how the chief of fire from Wheatland said they had no knowledge of the situation, but that goes with the question of what is their standard alert method? Anytime severe weather usually is imminent or a watch is issued a page gets sent out to all the local emergency services alerting them. I haven't seen the warning lead time to tornado touchdown stats yet but I really have not looked either. It seems like most everyone was on top of things even on a January day. The fact that the callers knew something was up to call into 911. Whether it be NWS, NWR, News, radio, even 911, the word got out and lives were saved.

Skilling has been on vacation for 2 weeks so it was the CLTV crew doing the weather that day. i think it was Tim Mcgill

[Kevin Bowman]

the utter stupidity of the general public

[Shane Adams]

the utter stupidity of the general public

Actually, the term is "ignorance"

[Linda Kitchen]

I think most people don't believe that something like this can happen to them. They think that it must be a mistake. It's human nature to deny unpleasant things, and if an unpleasant thing happens at a unusual time it makes it easier to believe that it isn't true. In any case, I think the operators were very professional. It must be hard to keep so cool when your so busy, and you know lives depend on you.

[Jarrod Cook]

I think most people don't believe that something like this can happen to them.

Yeah, that's ignorance. Everyone thinks nothing can happen to them.

It must be hard to keep so cool when your so busy, and you know lives depend on you. I agree, the 911 operator did a very good job keeping her cool - but the lives of others didn't depend on her in regards to the tornado though - it's the NWS's job to get the warning out in a timely manner (which they did) and then it's in the public's hands to pay attention and know what to do in that particular situation. I still can't believe how many people actually call 911 - the EMERGENCY number, to inquire about why the sirens were going off.

[John Diel]

Jarrod,

I am going to respectively disagree with your last statement.
but the lives of others didn't depend on her in regards to the tornado though
In fact, the lives did rest with the 911 Operator. Merely by the fact that the person called and she gave out the proper information "take cover, this is not a test". NWS had done their job by issuing the warning. Someone at the EOC had done their job by activating the siren. the 911 Operator did her job by answering the phone and making the proper action of "Get under cover".

The failure, if any, would be public education and reaction. Not anything else that I can derive from listening to the clip and reading the various news stories and chaser reports.

Some of this can be derived from just plain being dumb. some from denial, some from ignorance, or any other of a host of excuses. Everything was in place and the proper actions were carried out, People failed themselves by not acting accordingly.

Along those lines, is this akin to Mike's 'Warning vs Emergency' concept? Could the reactions be based in too much public overload from TV News screaming "The sky is falling!" everytime a thunderstorm comes near? I don't know. It's something that I'm sure will be debated and it's certainly a thought. Did this cause some of the reactions heard on the clip? It's something to think about.

[Jon Person]

I think people are complacent, too, having sat in the bathtub several times with no consequence. How long has the terror alert been "Elevated" across the nation now? The problem with alerts is that they cover a very broad area.

It won't be long before the NWS will be able to warn for specific storm tracks, not just entire counties. One of my clients writes emergency response software for emergency dispatch centers. The software I was shown last week had a map on the computer of all houses and streets in a county. (Very similar to a satellite Google map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=kenosha,+il&ie=UTF8&ll=42.576754,-87.836466&spn=0.010934,0.026822&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1).) He drew on the screen a freehand shape with his mouse and within two seconds had a list of all phone numbers from all the houses inside the area he had drawn, ready to dump into a "reverse 911" system. (R911 was used with some success during the San Diego fires (http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/10/san-diego-uses-.html) as well.) If such a system were commonplace, a storm's track could be drawn in this way and very specific people could be notified with a recorded message. It will be a while before such a system is nationwide and working smoothly with all kinds of phone lines, but the days of county-level granularity for warnings are numbered IMO, and that gives me some hope and relief that complacent people will soon have a real reason to take a warning seriously.

Plus, think of the fun of prank-calling your chasing buddies with fake R911, or keeping a red phone by the tub.

[Danny Neal]

Skilling has been on vacation for 2 weeks so it was the CLTV crew doing the weather that day. i think it was Tim Mcgill

Lol I wasn't serious I was just making a point that people usually follow the word of their trusted guy,people do take Skilling's forecast to heart...he is the number one Met in the region why wouldn't you as a common person without knowledge of the atmosphere and the way things work.

[John Wetter]

I wonder, is anyone from Milwaukee area Skywarn on the board? I'd be interested to hear how the Skywarn net went, or if that was late/didn't happen...

-John

[Jarrod Cook]

I wonder, is anyone from Milwaukee area Skywarn on the board? I'd be interested to hear how the Skywarn net went, or if that was late/didn't happen...

-John

I don't know if Skip Voros is on ST or not...but I'm on his e-mail list. I'm sure he'll post a write-up of some sort on this. If he does, I'll post it.

[John Wetter]

They have also posted the radio logs for the time before and during the tornado:

http://dailykenoshan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4934&Itemid=73

[Chris Engleman]

It won't be long before the NWS will be able to warn for specific storm tracks, not just entire counties. One of my clients writes emergency response software for emergency dispatch centers. The software I was shown last week had a map on the computer of all houses and streets in a county. (Very similar to a satellite Google map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=kenosha,+il&ie=UTF8&ll=42.576754,-87.836466&spn=0.010934,0.026822&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1).) He drew on the screen a freehand shape with his mouse and within two seconds had a list of all phone numbers from all the houses inside the area he had drawn, ready to dump into a "reverse 911" system. (R911 was used with some success during the San Diego fires (http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/10/san-diego-uses-.html) as well.) If such a system were commonplace, a storm's track could be drawn in this way and very specific people could be notified with a recorded message. It will be a while before such a system is nationwide and working smoothly with all kinds of phone lines, but the days of county-level granularity for warnings are numbered IMO, and that gives me some hope and relief that complacent people will soon have a real reason to take a warning seriously.

Ya, but what about the people who dont have home phone service? I haven't had a home phone in 6 years. I use my cellphone all the time. Also what if the phone system is down? My point is that there are wonderful ideas out there, but no one failsafe method to alert the public of what is coming.

Chris

[George Tincher]

Emergency dispatchers certainly have my utmost respect. These people are "masters of chaos". And they get tossed chaotic situations on a daily basis but always manage to turn the complete chaos into workable, coordinated responses by emergency personnel.

[Steve Mirsky]

Lol I wasn't serious I was just making a point that people usually follow the word of their trusted guy,people do take Skilling's forecast to heart...he is the number one Met in the region why wouldn't you as a common person without knowledge of the atmosphere and the way things work.Let's qualify that by saying number one TELEVISION met. Besides, he is not even a real met anyway. No degree.

[Steve Mirsky]

-----Original Message-----
From: Milw Area Skywarn Assc. <svoros@execpc.com>
To: cwa@netwrx1.com
Cc: masa-wi@netwrx1.com
Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:49 am
Subject: SKYWARN: Kenosha Tornado Response & Recovery


DATE: January 15, 2008 4:30 p.m.
TO: Governor Jim Doyle, Wisconsin Congressional Delegation, State Legislators
FROM: Johnnie Smith, Administrator

SUBJECT: STATE SUMMARY OF KENOSHA COUNTY TORNADO RESPONSE
AND RECOVERY EFFORTS


OVERVIEW - On Monday, January 7, severe storms caused two tornadoes in Southeast
Wisconsin. According to the National Weather Service the first tornado spun up in southeast
Walworth County and then tracked through the Wheatland and Brighton areas of Western
Kenosha County. The second tornado occurred in the town of Somers and on the north side
of the city of Kenosha. The tornado that went through the Wheatland/New Munster area in
Western Kenosha County has been given a preliminary rating of EF-3, with estimated top winds
between 150-160 mph, by the National Weather Service Storm Survey Team. The other tornado
was ranked an EF-1 with tornadic winds in the 86 mph to 110 mph range.


DAMAGE AMOUNTS - According to Kenosha County Emergency Management, 27 homes or
buildings were destroyed, 32 homes had major damage and 46 homes had minor damage. Damage
estimates are over $18 million however it appears that a high percentage of damage to residential
areas is covered by private insurance.


KENOSHA COUNTY - Kenosha County declared a State of Emergency. Mutual aid from
surrounding communities was used in the response efforts.


STATE OF WISCONSIN - Governor Doyle toured the tornado damaged areas on January 8 and
issued a State of Emergency for Kenosha County. The Executive Order was issued in order to
expedite any additional state personnel and resources that may be needed in the response and
recovery missions. Both Wisconsin State Patrol and Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
provided some staffing to assist with law enforcement during the initial response phase, but since the
order was issued no additional state resources have been requested by Kenosha County.


WISCONSIN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT - Wisconsin Emergency Management partially
activated the state Emergency Operations Center in Madison at around 6:00 p.m. on January 7 as
a result of the storms and tornadoes. The WEM region director was dispatched to Kenosha County
immediately after the disaster to provide technical assistance to the county emergency management
director. Since then WEM staff have been in contact with Kenosha County Emergency Management
daily in addition to attending various local meetings, including one in the Town of Wheatland on January 14.
WEM is also working with volunteer agencies and thecounty on long-term recovery issues. A meeting will
be held on January 17 to further coordinate these efforts.


FEDERAL DISASTER ASSISTANCE - The state is awaiting final numbers from Kenosha County
to determine if under federal thresholds, the county would be eligible for federal disaster assistance.
Disaster assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is to ensure impacted
individuals have a safe, secure and sanitary place to live in the immediate aftermath of a disaster and
that they have essential personal property for their dwelling. The FEMA programs are not intended to
cover all uninsured or underinsured losses and will not make an individual whole or bring them back to
their pre-disaster status. The federal disaster programs include disaster housing and Other Needs grants
from FEMA, with a maximum grant of $28,800 and loans from the Small Business Administration.


STATE DISASTER ASSISTANCE - The State of Wisconsin does not have a disaster assistance
program for individuals. However, there is the State Disaster Fund which can be used to assist
communities hit with disasters for debris removal, protective measures and road damage if federal
aid is not available. Kenosha County has expressed an intent to apply for this program.

Kenosha County could also apply for a Community Development Block Grant from the WI Department
of Commerce. Department of Commerce officials have contacted Kenosha County Emergency
Management regarding this program. If approved, that funding could be used for individual unmet
needs. For more information, contact Wisconsin Emergency Management at 608-242-3232.

[Steve Mirsky]

Only one other tornado occurred in Wisconsin in January and that was in 1967. My guess is that was the reason there was so many calls to 911 asking why the sirens were activated. Even for those interested in weather, we were not even in a slight risk that morning when most people left for work. Easy to get caught off guard when it is once in a lifetime storm.

[Tony Lyza]

Let's qualify that by saying number one TELEVISION met. Besides, he is not even a real met anyway. No degree.
He has a bachelor's in meteorology from Wisconsin-Madison.

[Steve Mirsky]

He has a bachelor's in meteorology from Wisconsin-Madison.
This is what I got from the WGN web site:

In 1970, Skilling moved to Madison, Wis., to study meteorology and journalism at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, while continuing to work in radio.

Studying it is not the same as graduating and getting a degree. Please show me something that says he actually received a degree in meteorology. Not that I have looked real hard, but I have never came across anything that has actually said that. If I am wrong I stand corrected and I will say I am sorry to him when he is on TV.

[Joel Wright]

It's hard to believe that his little brother (Jeffry Skilling) was the CEO of Enron who fell from grace and is now in prison for 25 years. The two couldn't possibly be any different.

[Steve Mirsky]

It's hard to believe that his little brother (Jeffry Skilling) was the CEO of Enron who fell from grace and is now in prison for 25 years. The two couldn't possibly be any different.yet they both made it very big in their respective fields.

[John Wetter]

-----Original Message-----
From: Milw Area Skywarn Assc. <svoros@execpc.com>
To: cwa@netwrx1.com
Cc: masa-wi@netwrx1.com
Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:49 am
Subject: SKYWARN: Kenosha Tornado Response & Recovery


I'd still be interested in hearing what the skywarn response to the situation was, if any. I'm just curious if they were able to muster a net or not.

-John

[Jason Bolt]

I will strongly disagree with John Diel and say that the fire chief and the EM on the audio performed like MORONS. As a fire chief, emergency manager, police chief, or whatever part of your JOB is to always keep yourself up to date about weather related issues that could impact your response area BEFORE it happens. I don't know whether or not they had lead time on that warning, but it doesn't matter. Storms had been firing all day across MO, IL and other states. The watch box had been placed quite a while before the storms. Nobody to blame but theirselves.

[Danny Neal]

This is what I got from the WGN web site:

In 1970, Skilling moved to Madison, Wis., to study meteorology and journalism at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, while continuing to work in radio.

Studying it is not the same as graduating and getting a degree. Please show me something that says he actually received a degree in meteorology. Not that I have looked real hard, but I have never came across anything that has actually said that. If I am wrong I stand corrected and I will say I am sorry to him when he is on TV.

What is your beef with Skilling? So what he doesn't have a degree? He knows more about the weather and predicting it then 90% of the Mets in his field. He runs his own severe weather seminar for God Sakes. He actually predicts the weather and does a damn good job. I have heard of Skilling.....haven't heard of you though.

[Steve Mirsky]

What is your beef with Skilling? So what he doesn't have a degree? He knows more about the weather and predicting it then 90% of the Mets in his field. He runs his own severe weather seminar for God Sakes. He actually predicts the weather and does a damn good job. I have heard of Skilling.....haven't heard of you though.There is no reason to freak out. I have no beef with him, but merely stated I do not believe he has a degree. From what I understand, he is a nice guy, very enthusiastic and has good graphics. I don't watch him but from what people tell me it does not sound as if he predicts the weather. He basically says the model is predicting this. Have you ever heard him say, the model says this, but I think that is going to happen. You haven't heard of me because I just predict the weather for clients such as energy companies, sports teams, pilots, governmental agencies, etc. I am not into the high profile glory of TV, where in most cases personality counts more then accuracy.

[Scott Weberpal]

There is no reason to freak out. I have no beef with him, but merely stated I do not believe he has a degree. From what I understand, he is a nice guy, very enthusiastic and has good graphics. I don't watch him but from what people tell me it does not sound as if he predicts the weather. He basically says the model is predicting this. Have you ever heard him say, the model says this, but I think that is going to happen. You haven't heard of me because I just predict the weather for clients such as energy companies, sports teams, pilots, governmental agencies, etc. I am not into the high profile glory of TV, where in most cases personality counts more then accuracy.


So we now rely on hearsay to validate truth about any particular persons forecasting ability? I can name more than a dozen chasers with no met degree who can forecast severe wx better than many with met degrees.

On local TV here, I hear Bob Lindmeier (meteorologist and owner of Weather Central) say "the model says this" all the time with no contradiction...of course he does occasionally contradict.

According to Tom Skillings myspace page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=40199734) he graduated from the University of Wisconsin in 1975 with a bachelors degree in meteorology.

If you've ever watched one of Tom's weathercasts, he's very specific and gives a very in-depth (sometimes over the head of common folk) explanations as to what is going on with the weather.

IMO, one of the best, if not the best on-air met in the country.

[Kevin Bowman]

because you need to graduate college to be great at what you do? maybe thats why Bill Gates has 50 Billion dollars

He basically says the model is predicting this. Have you ever heard him say, the model says this, but I think that is going to happen. .


um dont we all look at the models because of what they predict?

[Danny Neal]

So we now rely on hearsay to validate truth about any particular persons forecasting ability? I can name more than a dozen chasers with no met degree who can forecast severe wx better than many with met degrees.

On local TV here, I hear Bob Lindmeier (meteorologist and owner of Weather Central) say "the model says this" all the time with no contradiction...of course he does occasionally contradict.

According to Tom Skillings myspace page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=40199734) he graduated from the University of Wisconsin in 1975 with a bachelors degree in meteorology.

If you've ever watched one of Tom's weathercasts, he's very specific and gives a very in-depth (sometimes over the head of common folk) explanations as to what is going on with the weather.

IMO, one of the best, if not the best on-air met in the country.

Scott summed up what I was trying to say better in his post right here. You can tell the Mets who stand up there and read off a teleprompter, and you can tell the ones who know whats going on and love what they do.

[Steve Mirsky]

According to Tom Skillings myspace page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=40199734) he graduated from the University of Wisconsin in 1975 with a bachelors degree in meteorology.
Yes there are lots of chasers who know more then mets, but it has nothing to do with the issue here. Did I say he does not love what he does. On the contrary I said he was enthusiastic. And yes, if it says it on my space it must be true. Case closed.

[Dan Cook]

Yes there are lots of chasers who know more then mets, but it has nothing to do with the issue here. Did I say he does not love what he does. On the contrary I said he was enthusiastic. And yes, if it says it on my space it must be true. Case closed.

Where's your proof that he doesn't have a degree? Other than hearsay..

[Steve Mirsky]

Where's your proof that he doesn't have a degree? Other than hearsay..
Dan, all I said was I have never seen anything that said he had a degree. The WGN site said he studied meteorology which I do not believe is the same as having completed a degree. I now stand corrected as he says so himself in my space.

[Dan Cook]

That's fine then. The Tom Skilling debate is getting off topic anyway as this thread isn't about him.

[Chad Cowan]

I don't watch him but ...

This negates the majority of what you said.


... from what people tell me it does not sound as if he predicts the weather. He basically says the model is predicting this. Have you ever heard him say, the model says this, but I think that is going to happen. ,


http://blogs.trb.com/news/weather/weblog/wgnweather/ATW022807WED.jpg

[Jarrod Cook]

Yes there are lots of chasers who know more then mets, but it has nothing to do with the issue here.

The issue in this thread is about the Kenosha County 911 clip, not Tom Skilling! Sheesh. Anyone have any more opinions on that event? I see someone posted something from Skip Voros, but I still haven't see his normal MASA e-mail that gets sent out every other month or so.

[Jason Boggs]

GUY'S, LET'S KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC PLEASE.

[Steve Mirsky]

I see someone posted something from Skip Voros, but I still haven't see his normal MASA e-mail that gets sent out every other month or so.Yes, that was me. :D. Haven't received anything else yet. If I do, I will post unless someone does it first.

[rdale]

The watch box had been placed quite a while before the storms. Nobody to blame but theirselves.

1) That wasn't "the" EM, that was someone that worked there and obviously knew the dispatcher well

2) I despise when people make blanket attacks on anyone without knowing the whole story

3) There was no watch box prior to the storm. I think this is the part where you say "oops" :confused: