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Rob Wadsworth
09-19-2008, 04:03 PM
Storm Chasers, Storm Spotters, SKYWARN North & South, and Espotters.
They have a lot more in common than not


As a new member to STORMTRACK, I have a chance to say something that I couldn't have said when I was reading it for the last couple of years. But now that I am an eSpotter and a member of STORMTRACK and now wish to reflect on some of these issues here.
Input is more than welcome from all on this point...

It my belief that the common ground in all of this is simply the STORM - and how it affects people....

A tornado can drive thru a community and destroy homes, businesses, vehicles, general infrastructure, and people's lives. As well as people.
All that storm spotting and chasing can hope to do is to warn people.
The volunteers that make up these aforementioned groups all share this common goal.

I don't believe that the NWS or the US Gov't is at fault with the perceived loss of continuity in these groups. They certainly don't find fault with chasers (some WFO's communicate with them directly); so where is the center of the problem?

Communities that have in the past looked down upon storm chasers need to realize that they also can help the warning system and give them respect for their presence, knowledge, interest, and the fingers that calls it in. Emergency Managers have mixed feelings twards the chaser; is he/she perhaps throwing away and speaking ill of those who are of the warning process and fails to realize their real value to the communities they invariably protect? I know that the EM that I spot for appreciates my interests and appreciates my phone calls. But mileage varies from state to state, and from community to community. It is my perception that a lot can yet be done to make small towns as safe as large ones. I cannot say that I have the answers; I am hoping those members of STORMTRACK can weigh in on these matters and offer construction criticisms and offer timely and constructive ideas and thoughts.

:D

rdale
09-19-2008, 04:40 PM
I've not seen too many EM's "speak ill" of spotters or chasers... I'm not sure I follow where your post is going?

Rob Wadsworth
09-19-2008, 05:01 PM
I've not seen too many EM's "speak ill" of spotters or chasers... I'm not sure I follow where your post is going?

Clarification:

Who is it then - speaks ill of storm chasers if it isn't the EM's or the police/fire? It's not the storm spotter that has caught the grief from the press. But it has been storm chasers - that has been troubled by accusations and insinuations of their actions. Some chasers still face/will face ill will while invariably helping out communities while chasing.
People have complained in the past of vast numbers of chaser convergence.
Or is it the communities themselves that don't have a grip?
Why should chasers be blamed for what they do in the process of a chase - if it isn't illegal?

I am attempting to point out the whos and whys that keep a greater good for occurring.. If storm chasing/storm spotting can become more harmonious - what would you do or say that you feel can have a positive impact? It just seems that with so many people chasing and spotting that there couldn't be a better arrangement and a better meeting of minds. It all seems so ludicris to me - IMHO.

Is this clearer now?
My Apologies for any misunderstanding - Sorry!

rdale
09-19-2008, 05:11 PM
It's mostly CHASERS that complain about chaser convergence... Spotters don't converge since they are in one spot or dispatched to a specific part of the county.

Communities complain about chaser convergence because Joe Public drives out in his pickup, parks in the middle of the road with the doors open and blocks emergency vehicles. That's something that should be complained about.

Mike Hollingshead
09-19-2008, 05:38 PM
If some local EM or spotter wants to wash my car every so often I will like them more. Just a fwiw. Otherwise they'll remain like every other person to me, not terribly important, unless I know them...see them frequently.....etc. It's all pretty silly imo. People won't like people, and some will lump....

Jason Tunzer
09-19-2008, 06:35 PM
Mike I will only wash your car if you post the pics of me washing the Mustang.:D

CraigFisher
09-22-2008, 01:35 AM
Through the summer I have quit a bit a communication with our county EM. He's usually interested on what my thoughts are, where I am at and where I am going. FWIW.

Damon Poole
09-22-2008, 11:35 PM
Rob W. has a point. It would also help the image of both storm spotting and chasing if everybody would remember that we all contribute to the science and warning process, instead of sniping at one another, as has occurred in past threads. Regardless of whether you chase and photograph storms in the plains, or spot them locally, each of us have a level of training, education, and experience that helps contribute to the process. That's the common thread.

Jason Foster
09-23-2008, 02:45 PM
I've not seen too many EM's "speak ill" of spotters or chasers... I'm not sure I follow where your post is going?

There are certainly a few from the Office of Emergency Management and Skywarn that have been vocal about their dislike of Storm Chasers here in the DC area....in particular Montgomery County, Maryland. I wish I had a tape recorder for some of the comments I've heard at times. I'll just have to remember to bring one next time I'm around these folks.

rdale
09-23-2008, 02:52 PM
No need for a tape recorder - just remind them of all the reports those storm chasers have sent in that they wouldn't have received otherwise...