04/11/65 Palm Sunday Outbreak

[Robert Rohloff]

I was only 7 years old and living east of South Bend Ind. I can still recall the neighborhood out playing in the warm weather but all the parents looking at the sky. My mother was really wound up listening to the weather reports on TV. I am not sure how many times we hid in the basement but it was more than once that day.

The famous double vortex photo from Elkhart is still impressive every time I look at it. The 271 fatalities led to a overhaul of the Weather Bureau and the founding of Skywarn.

I was even more surprised to learn the 1920 Palm Sunday tornado outbreak in the south killed at least 380 persons. The fact our segregated society would not count blacks killed leaves that actual number of deaths much higher since many of the communities hit were a very large black population.....

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/s2418.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Sunday_tornado_outbreak_of_1920

[Dennis Dennison]

Yup, 930pm in Toledo, Oh, the first thing we knew it was going bad was the sound of the electrical connections being ripped from the back of our house, I still remember that is sounded a lot like a bullet ricochet. The F-4 was just a block and 1/2 behind our place.

[Tim Marshall]

April 11, 1965 was sort of a beginning of my interest in severe weather. I was only 8 years old at the time. I remember standing in the living room with my mother watching a severe storm in the Chicago area. I asked her, how do you know if a tornado is coming? She replied: When you see lightning go around in a circle. I thought I saw a flash of lightning go in a circle and ran to the basement -petrified and I stayed there for quite some time. One of my favorite photos was the one in Indiana of the two large tornadoes next to each other. Later, I learned this tornado was a multi-vortex. Fujita's classic paper still stands as one of my all time favorites.

[Kevin Walters]

The Palm Sunday outbreak of 4/11/1965 was the event that sparked my interest in severe weather. I remember coming out of church and it being VERY windy and my Dad pointing out the thunderstorm just to our East. I had just turned six years old and I also remember Conrad Johnson reading tornado warnings for several Eastern Iowa counties on WMT television in Cedar Rapids.

[Dennis Dennison]

The twin funnel also happened in Toledo, this pic is pretty much what was behind my house.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x89/Jegsman/Weather/1965Toledo.jpg

[Bob Hartig]

Yesterday, the 44th anniversary of the Palm Sunday Tornadoes, I did what I have done several times within the past few years and toured the old Midway Trailer Court grounds where the infamous twin funnels blew through, and visited my friend Debbie Watters' tornado memorial park in Dunlap. This time I was with Pat Murphy, a lead forecaster for the Northern Indiana WFO who has an interest in the Palm Sunday Outbreak akin to my own. This particular outbreak is an area of personal research; it had a far-reaching impact that can't be overstated. The more I dig into it, the more fascinated I am. Some of the statistics, such as the exact number of fatalities, are hard to pin down. What's clear is that the outbreak was an early season Great Lakes event driven by shear, with low CAPE but absolutely gonzo kinematics (500 mb winds over 140 mph!), and, believe it or not, with a dryline (which Fujita called a "dry cold front") providing convergence ahead of the cold front.

[mikegeukes]

Blake Naftel did a excellent job on the Palm Sunday Outbreak.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070219124937/http://homepages.wmich.edu/~b1naftel/outbreak65.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20070219124937/http://homepages.wmich.edu/%7Eb1naftel/outbreak65.html)

Mike

[Ryan Wichman]

I know this was well before we had any of the technologies we enjoy today. But does anyone have some sort of synoptic overview/rough outline of the atmosphere of the Palm Sunday Outbreak?

I imagine the only data will be a large scale synoptic map....

[GlennMartin]

Dr. Fujita did extensive research on this event and I believe it was published in Monthly Weather Review or perhaps a technical memorandum? I read it several times but that was 20yrs ago ;) I bet Tim Vasquez has some info since he has done some excellent work on past synoptic events. Here is a good link to some past events I found some time ago
http://bangladeshtornadoes.org/UScases.html

[Bob Hartig]

Here is the link to Fujita's paper (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/098/mwr-098-01-0029.pdf). It includes the synoptic setup you've alluded to, Ryan.

[Melissa Jablonski]

I was In Elkart county Indiana too. I was 9 years old. I'll never forget.
Melissa

[John A. Sellers]

I was ten years old and was in Knox, Ind. at relatives. I remember hanging on to the neighbors fence post as the wind was blowing the sand at us. Our parents came and got us and down into the basement we went.Later in the week we drove though some of the damaged areas and saw how bad it really was.

[Dennis Dennison]

I have to say-what really get me it there is VERY little info or pictures ANYWHERE on the F-4 That went thru Toledo , Ohio. Considering it was an F-4 and a Twin set of tubes, and killed a bunch of folks,etc--I just cannot find much at all-despite hours and hours of searching

Anyone with knowledge of any info-please send me a PM so I can get the stuff--Thanks

[Bob Hartig]

Yeah, there is a real paucity of photos of the actual Palm Sunday tornadoes, particularly compared to today, when a gnat can't fart without half a dozen chasers capturing the event on film. And there is nothing at all in the way of home movies.

I think a large part of the problem was, people in many cases didn't receive warnings and were caught with their pants down by storms that were moving at sixty to seventy miles an hour, and no one was about to go hunting for their cameras with a violent tornado bearing down on them at space shuttle speed.

[Dennis Dennison]

True, no warnings--But I am amazed I cant find anything at all POST storm-the day after stuff-I mean an F4 in Toledo-killed a bunch of people-and major damage-and all I can find is about 6 pics

[Bob Hartig]

Dennis, are you familiar with the book, The Night of the Wicked Winds? It focuses on the Ohio part of the Palm Sunday Outbreak. Here's some information:

The Night of the Wicked Winds: the 1965 Palm Sunday tornadoes in Ohio, by Roger Pickenpaugh. Baltimore, MD: Gateway Press, 2003. ISBN 0-9709059-3-9 (http://wapedia.mobi/en/Special:BookSources/0970905939) (paperback).

[Melissa Jablonski]

Dennis, are you familiar with the book, The Night of the Wicked Winds? It focuses on the Ohio part of the Palm Sunday Outbreak. Here's some information:

The Night of the Wicked Winds: the 1965 Palm Sunday tornadoes in Ohio, by Roger Pickenpaugh. Baltimore, MD: Gateway Press, 2003. ISBN 0-9709059-3-9 (http://wapedia.mobi/en/Special:BookSources/0970905939) (paperback).

Bob have you read " Those Whirling,,Swirling Winds"? I don'tknow the author.
I know it is out of print. It focused on the Starke, St.Joe and Elkhart county tornadoes . The Starke County Indiana Library system had a copy a few years ago. It was published by a Canadian publisher. It had a lot of descriptions of the tornadoes given by people who saw them.
Melissa

[Bob Hartig]

Bob have you read " Those Whirling,,Swirling Winds"? I don'tknow the author.
I know it is out of print. It focused on the Starke, St.Joe and Elkhart county tornadoes . The Starke County Indiana Library system had a copy a few years ago. It was published by a Canadian publisher. It had a lot of descriptions of the tornadoes given by people who saw them.
Melissa

I wonder whether you mean The Mighty Whirlwind by David Wagler, published by Pathway? I have a copy of that book here in my library. It is well written and quite interesting in that it predates knowledge about tornadoes that we take for granted today (much of which arose out of the Palm Sunday disaster). I understand that some of Wagler's journalistic methods were questionable, but the book is nevertheless the only one ever published on the northern Indiana storms.

[Dennis Dennison]

The Night of the Wicked Winds: the 1965 Palm Sunday tornadoes in Ohio, by Roger Pickenpaugh. Baltimore, MD: Gateway Press, 2003. ISBN 0-9709059-3-9 (paperback).


No--but I am now looking to find and buy a copy--thanks

[Melissa Jablonski]

I wonder whether you mean The Mighty Whirlwind by David Wagler, published by Pathway? I have a copy of that book here in my library. It is well written and quite interesting in that it predates knowledge about tornadoes that we take for granted today (much of which arose out of the Palm Sunday disaster). I understand that some of Wagler's journalistic methods were questionable, but the book is nevertheless the only one ever published on the northern Indiana storms.

It could be. I read it several years ago. If it was published in Canada it is probably the one. We were staying with friends in Elkhart county but Mom and Dad owned a house that was 2 miles from the Koontz lake damage.
Mom and Dad tried to keep us calm while driving in a zigzag home that evening. It seemed we'd driven forever and hadn't reached hiway 31. My dad was so rattled he kept repeating "they've moved the highway" over and over again. We were all scared. Melissa

[Kevin Walters]

Yeah, there is a real paucity of photos of the actual Palm Sunday tornadoes, particularly compared to today, when a gnat can't fart without half a dozen chasers capturing the event on film. And there is nothing at all in the way of home movies.

I think a large part of the problem was, people in many cases didn't receive warnings and were caught with their pants down by storms that were moving at sixty to seventy miles an hour, and no one was about to go hunting for their cameras with a violent tornado bearing down on them at space shuttle speed.
I agree with Bob, the fact the storms were cranking along at 50-60 mph would have made it difficult to take photos even if you were aware they were tornadic. There is a story about an Indiana state trooper that shot some 8mm film of one of the tornadoes. If true, it would be very interesting to see it.