hollingshead photos

[William Rayner]

The plagiarized Hollingshead photos, featured on ST's home page, have got as far as my neck of the woods in Canada. A couple of weeks ago, two of the more beautiful shots were posted in our condo's elevators(there are boards on the elevators' walls for displaying notices, etc.).

Wow, I said to myself: There's another chaser in the building --- and one with real photographic skills. Alas, they were obviously lifted from some internet site, because I recognized them on ST's page. My zeal to track down this fellow chaser has now diminished somewhat.

Bill Rayner

[Andrew Khan]

LOL Nick. But this really needs to stop! When is this stupid mess going to end, people are really being stupid, and I know how it feels to have your work stolen, but mine was on a MUCH smaller scale. I bet Mike's REALLY 'Cranky' now for sure. The next place you may see them (after seeing them in Gap of course), is on a big blimp, in a big city, printed on the side! :lol:

[Shane Adams]

It will continue as long as people know they can get away with it.

[Aaron Kennedy]

Lets see where have I seen them... flyers at OU... student's projects for a severe unusual class, a elementary school science fair poster...


Aaron

[Chris Sokol]

He should get the award for "Most Plagiarized Person in the World".

[Andrew Khan]

Originally posted by Chris Sokol
He should get the award for \"Most Plagiarized Person in the World\".

I assume that will be the 'next' award, lol. Shane, I think your right....so we need to make an example of someone, to show the REST of them, they can not get away with it...somehow.

[Geoff Boyle]

Hey!

A fellow BC chaser! I thought I was the only one, LOL.

Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for them too. If Mike's pics have been found in New West, then someone might be selling them locally.

[Skip Talbot]

At least Mike can take some solice in knowing that his greatest picture is still out there, waiting for him to take it, and that he can hang onto that one a little tighter.

[mrobinett]

My wife and I were thinking of starting a stock photography business and I mentioned it to a coworker who also builds websites, he said "why would I buy a photo from you when I can get one somewhere else online, cut and paste?"
Unbelieveable.
I told him I guess we would be catering to the honest people of the world.

[Kurt Hulst]

Originally posted by mrobinett
My wife and I were thinking of starting a stock photography business and I mentioned it to a coworker who also builds websites, he said \"why would I buy a photo from you when I can get one somewhere else online, cut and paste?\"
Unbelieveable.
I told him I guess we would be catering to the honest people of the world.

his problem is if that person he stole it from finds out and actually acts upon it then he'll be hurting in the long run what a dolt!

[Andrew Khan]

Originally posted by mrobinett
My wife and I were thinking of starting a stock photography business and I mentioned it to a coworker who also builds websites, he said \"why would I buy a photo from you when I can get one somewhere else online, cut and paste?\"
Unbelieveable.
I told him I guess we would be catering to the honest people of the world.

Man...that right there makes me sick..those people right there are your problem..people that have thought tracks like that end up rippers and thiefs.

[Tyler Allison]

I work with a one man graphics company out of the UK for any of my AllisonHouse work and he was very forthcoming about me needing to pay for "stock" photos as he would not 'steal' from others.

It only cost me a couple bucks..literally.

[Andrew Khan]

Wow Tyler, that just shows you how cheap people really are.

[Aaron Kennedy]

That brings up another issue. The multitude of pennies cheap stock photography websites. Many photogs. are selling out to these cheap websites that sell stock photography for next to nothing. They end up getting pennies for the use of a photo selling themselves short, and hurting the rest of photogs out there.

I have yet to look into stock photog options....

Aaron

[Mike Hollingshead]

If I get one more e-mail asking, "Do you have more pictures from Katrina?", or "Can you send me some hi-res files?" I'm going to shoot myself. Or even just the ones telling me my photos are here or there and wondering if I know or not. It is amazing how old just answering those gets(and at no fault to the e-mailer, they have no idea how many times I do get to know). Today I was informed one of my photos won "best in show" at the Grundy County Corn Festival in Morris IL. I wonder who won! Also today, a Dutch Newspaper published them stating they were from AR and a friend of the family shot them.

Out of all this my biggest regret is not saving every single example to put on one page so people could see just how many sad people are out there. I mean it is really freaking sad! If I ever had a desire to put up screen savers for people it is looooooooooooooooooooooooong gone. It is extremely laughable at this point. If I were anyone out there I would not do this. There are a crapload of losers out there just waiting to use your stuff as their own.

I'm going to snap soon I think, lol. I can't hear about these anymore! It is amazing how old something really can get. I honestly don't know if I'm happy people tell me stuff anymore. What does this say about the possibility I'd ever want to bother going to court over any of it? This is my hobby, what I've loved to do as well as a source of income. It is scary to me when I start to hate it over THIS. People can steal and get away with it all day, as long as I never hate the hobby because of it. I'm glad people inform me, but I'm not glad the truth is they have to in the first place. It is an interesting road to travel. I'm close to ignoring every single e-mail about the images(hell I was already there once before). I'm super duper frustrated and annoyed at hearing it on and on and on and on. And this is not the fault of the informer at all! Just the widespread nature of it is a complete overload on one person to always hear about. Here is the visual I come up with for trying to explain what it is sort of like. Imagine someone right next to your ear saying one word once every minute for a good week solid, even at night while you try to sleep(use any word, after a while it would not matter what that word was). That is the visual I come up with now. You would anticipate the word that finally sets you off. Yep, I'm going to snap soon lol.

What may be very amazing isn't just the number of cases I'm hearing about of people claiming them as their own, but what must be the numbers that I'm NOT hearing about. I can't imagine what I'm not being informed of, based off all the crap I have been informed of. Sorry, I'm thinking about this 'outloud' on here right now.

I just thought for a second that it is all probably almost over anyway. Then I thought deeper about that one. I'm seeing the number of folks that likely have these on their puter or online host. This is DAMN sad to me. In all honesty this is probably far from done and being at this point I'm at with it it is not really good. I almost have to ask to not be informed of cases. I think somewhere I got sidetracked on my ignoring things and I should go back there. I have little choice, really. So, thanks to those informing me of this and that case, but I am asking to not be informed anymore. How messed up is that, lol. Life before this sounds soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good right now. Put them on Trumps Plaza or whatever, I don't care anymore!!!! One has to stop and check their day once in a while and look at what they do with it. Hearing about this and repling to e-mails about this needs to become a much much smaller portion of my days. I mean we all only have so many. I'm wasting so much time screwing with all this...now. Just look at the length of this post. Well, hopefully it explains a lot and is my last on any of it. One can always hope.

Before I end this extremely negative post I must comment on one thing. There are FAR more cool folks out there saying what the truth is and calling liars out for what they are than the liars I hear about. I'm simply tired of the whole deal and the time it is taking up is all.

Regards,

[David Schuttler]

I would hope some invited trips to New York and L.A. (free mini-vacation) for appearances on talk shows will be coming at some point.

[Melissa Moon]

::puts on shiny new Mod hat::

Hey everyone! I would just like to ask each of you to be respectful of Mike's feelings towards this situation. We're all aware of this horrible situation, but is it really necessary to keep rehashing it, especially after Mike has stated his feelings about it? At this time, I am not going to take any action by locking the threads, but I would encourage everyone to please keep the discussion to a minimum, if at all. Thanks!!!

[David Schuttler]

I would suggest Mike not read replies to a thread about the photo's. It's no reason for people not to discuss it. But hey you have to start somewhere for your first lock.... :wink:

[Jason_Politte]

Originally posted by David Schuttler
I would suggest Mike not read replies to a thread about the photo's. It's no reason for people not to discuss it. But hey you have to start somewhere for your first lock.... :wink:

Is there really anything new to be said regarding the infringment of his work though? Everyone on this forum knows what's happened. What's the point in continuing to rehash the subject with the same comments?

[Jimmy Deguara]

Hi,

Even though I am not a moderator, my suggestion at this point is to lock the thread if that would help Mike. It allows people to read but the message is there and no more discussion requires taking place for the respect of Mike by others entering the forumand suddenly finding out.

I too had messaged Mike several weeks back to inform about images being used in Australia. If I had understood the feelings in here from this thread for instance, I would not have messaged him in due respect. I apologise Mike for that.

Regards,

Jimmy Deguara

[Melissa Moon]

My original idea was to lock the forum, but after contacting Mike, he wished for the forums not to be locked. However, I do feel it is respectful to him if we would all keep the discussion to a minimum.

[Chris Sokol]

My suggestion (feel free to comment on this Mike) is that unless Mike's images are being used commercially, there is really no need to bring the subject up. Now, if you see somebody making money (stock house, magazine, advertising, etc...) off of his images, I would consider that acceptable for comment. The email stuff really is not, as they will be circulating forever (well, at least for 100 years or so).

[Joe Guerra]

hear, hear! I've had my astrophotos stolen before, and at this point, unless i see them on a commercial company or something like that, i laugh, glad to see i'm not completely crazy Mike! ;)

[Mike Hollingshead]

My original idea was to lock the forum, but after contacting Mike, he wished for the forums not to be locked. However, I do feel it is respectful to him if we would all keep the discussion to a minimum.
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Melissa Moon

I said I didn't feel it needed locking on my behalf and that I'd just not read them if it was all bugging me(what else could one think). I said to leave it open so if anyone wants to talk about it and things that relate to what has happened they could. I can't see ever wanting a thread locked over anything. Just so it is clear, it is not going to bug me one way or the other if folks talk about it. I feel weird saying that. My problem was hearing about it sooooo much, but that is MY problem. I can regulate that if I want.

Jimmy, don't worry about it, I'm annoyed by the message not the messenger. Thanks again actually. More than anything I just was wishing it'd go away. But now I've taken a good break from it all, or at least made efforts to(backed up e-mails) and am going to try and maybe salvage something for myself on these photos. It is requiring me to put a page together on just a few fun cases. I should have been keeping better records of what all I was informed of. But anyway, some of it is pretty fun reading and telling on how people can be out there. It is a work in progress but there is now quite a bit on the page.

If you want a few good laughs I think one can find them in some of this. I share this because it shows just how widespread it can be and how some folks are. The real problems with them are the ones I won't likely even hear of. There are a couple on this page, but most are not big problems at all. Well other than the fact they are so well known/seen they are now un-marketable. Anyway, some funny stuff is now at this url:

http://www.extremeinstability.com/storms.htm

That page should make everyone want to put a © on their images. Had I done that I could probably be living on an Island somewhere off print and dvd sales. Not because of legal reasons but the resulting traffic I WOULD have seen.

[Andrew Khan]

Here are just a few links to various places posting or mentioning these images. Yeah, that really looks like a few Mike, lol. I know how your feeling man, but some people that even copyright their images, get them ripped, if you do end up putting copyrights on your images, do it like Mike U. he's got a good thing going on that will prtect him well.

[Andy Wehrle]

Well, it's official. The "amazing pictures of Hurricane Katrina" have made it to UWGB. I spotted some girl looking through them in the computer lab just now, and approached her ("Excuse me, where did you get those photos?"). She said someone had e-mailed them to her with the "Hurricane Katrina" title. At least she was skeptical, becuase she could tell Plains terrian from Gulf Coast terrain. I directed her to Mike's website and his page listing the places they have popped up.

It was only a matter of time. :roll:

[Joe Guerra]

Alright, THIS LINK, stood out.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthr...42&page=4&pp=15 (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104142&page=4&pp=15)

I can see why Mike wanted it as a must see, thats amazing how ignorant people can be. I mean, my grandmother said her BS meter went off the charts! :lol:

[Jeff Snyder]

Joe,

That would make me mad. I guess I wouldn't be as concerned about it if my pics were circulation as "my cousin's mother's boss shot these of Hurricane Vince in southwestern Spain"... But to actually read that guys post about he stopped to take the pictures, and blah blah blah. That's not just "forwarding" the pictures in a mass-email manner, but that's blatantly stealing them and claiming them to be your own.

[Joe Guerra]

Yeah, it got ME hot under the collar, it reminds me of my problems too, because this guy claimed he had taken my photos with this 14" telescope, and how it was his first try, yadda, yadda, yadda.... I raised hell on that site, and i'd love to do it with Mike's but i mean, this is SO widespread, it isn't even funny when they are being used as STOCK photos!

[Andrew Khan]

Jesus...They might very well be, the local newspaper bought them from me! What a piece of work this fool is. He said he might even sell them to TWC...Ebaumsworld also is hosting these....and not giving any credit at all....and by the way the owners act, I wouldn't be surprised if they cared...http://www.ebaumsworld.com/weirdcloud.html They even have it marked with an Ebaumsworld logo....

[nickgrillo]

:lol: Cool --> http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.p...?IDLink=1708470 (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1708470)

[Andrew Khan]

LOL Nick. I'm still bothered by the ebaumsworld site, though. I hate ripping, and like theye said, it's one they to say your god mother boss's sister's cousin took the picture, but to claim YOU took it and make personal profit from it, is an entirely different level.

[David Wolfson]

Well, if EBW doesn't respect Mike's copyright after they've been duly informed, and continues to present and sell his work as their own, Mike has a great case for flagrant infringement! $$$$$$$$$!

[nickgrillo]

Well, if EBW doesn't respect Mike's copyright after they've been duly informed, and continues to present and sell his work as their own, Mike has a great case for flagrant infringement! $$$$$$$$$!

As for Ebaum's World... They appear to really "like" the threats of lawsuits they get from people (plenty from celebrities and corporations), so any emails that Mike sends them are probably taken as a joke :roll:

[Joe Guerra]

Meh, they won't be laughing soon! *Climbs into B-52*

[Andrew Khan]

Yes Nick, your absolutely right. I have heard/seen of many trouble/problems that ebaums world has gotten in...the owner, just has no regard for feelings, it appears...I really have always hated that site...partially because of the owner...

[nickgrillo]

KETV news in Nebraska did an entire story on Mike and the stolen photos today... Very interesting segment, and I am glad to see the truth becoming more known.

Link --> http://www.theomahachannel.com/weather/509...316/detail.html (http://www.theomahachannel.com/weather/5096316/detail.html)

[Dan Robinson]

That's a start! Now FoxNews, CNN, PrimeTime, 20/20, GMA, Letterman, Leno, etc need to pick up on this.

[Anthony Silver]

Originally posted by Dan Robinson
That's a start! Now FoxNews, CNN, PrimeTime, 20/20, GMA, Letterman, Leno, etc need to pick up on this.

Yeah, they definetly need to get this matter out there nationally, and even worldwide. Maybe then, more infringers would be spotlighted, and their a$$es be humiliated in front of everyone!

[Nick Benson]

Originally posted by nickgrillo
Link -->http://www.theomahachannel.com/weather/5096316/detail.html

Drudge Report is linking to that story now.

[Anthony Petito]

Originally posted by Nick Benson+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nick Benson)</div><!--QuoteBegin-nickgrillo
Link -->http://www.theomahachannel.com/weather/5096316/detail.html

Drudge Report is linking to that story now.[/b]

I was just gonna say the same... Let's hope people see it and recognize!

[Andrew Khan]

YES! Letterman and Leno, really need to get this...it would get major attention.

[Tim Johnson]

Yup this is really sad indeed. I have received the e-mails going around several times, even at work. It really is amazing how far out of hand this has gotten. If nothing else, its a testiment as to how good Mikes photos truely are. It also brings out the dark side of 21st century technology and some peoples lack of ethics. :(

[B Ozanne]

I just watched a 13 minute slideshow produced by the Red Cross. It starts off with the infamous pictures of "Katrina Coming In."

[Mike Hollingshead]

I just watched a 13 minute slideshow produced by the Red Cross. It starts off with the infamous pictures of "Katrina Coming In."

I wonder if it is the same slideshow thingy I saw. I don't think the red cross produced what I saw. Hmm. Seems sad that they'd be 'taken' too. I mean no one involved said 'hey, stop, I wonder about these...'? It's not like the Red Cross should be too unfamilar with hurricanes(nor the landscape in the area).

Just today I heard about some folks at MIT being taken as well. They had it on something on their web site. So I guess just the weather savy of us can tell the difference enough.

Some other guy with World Service Corps was selling hats, t-shirts, etc on cafepress calling them Katrina. His story was a friend sent them and said the source was reliable and he had the ok to do so. That is what pretty much sucks about it all. That is always the case.

[Mike Peregrine]

Nice article in the St. Joseph Newspress last week about who the photos actually belong to. The article had to do with how the photos have been the fuel for urban legends lately, but corrected the mistake by crediting Mike ... also included one of the photos in question. I kept a copy of the article, Mike, in case you wanted to see it next time I'm up that way -

[Blake Michaleski]

I saw one of the photos on a red cross certificate hanging on the wall at the local taco bell here in Mobile, AL thanking Taco bell for their donations.

[Sean Mullen]

One of Mike's images from Alva, NE( the one that was the Stormtrack avatar for a while) made an appearence in the CBS movie "Catagory 7' tonight. This just keeps getting better.......
Seriously, Mike, thanks for all the work you've put out there, that's awed us and the rest of the world.

Keep the faith
Sean

[Angie Norris]

So I wasn't the only one who saw that. Saw some of Jim Leonard's stuff, too, as well as the tornado taking McConnell AFB apart. Anybody recognize anything else?
Angie

[Mike Peregrine]

There's a screen grab from the movie with H's photo in the other Cat 7 thread in the Bar & Grill forum -

[Andrew Khan]

Dammit, this is getting out of control, more so than before. How can CBS, be stupid like that? I thought they were down with the "Law suits", and stuff. God.

[Perry Williams]

edited...

My humble apologies. It was never my intent to cause trouble on this forum. While overzealous in posting the original content of my post several nights ago, it was an honest mistake; caused by lack of sleep and good judgement. I never checked the other forums before posting it here.....for which I apologize.

Sincerely,
Perry W.

[Mike Mezeul II]

yup another rip...but do i really believe who the "photographer" is? wow :shock:

[nickgrillo]

Originally posted by Perry Williams
Guys, check out this tornado image supposedly taken yesterday November 15, 2005....click on the tornado labeled \"Benton, Kentucky\".
Here's the link:

http://www.wpsdtv.com/photos/Novemberstorms.html

Only one big problem....that tornado occurred over 31 years ago. I've seen it on the internet at a tornado webpage commemorating the April 3, 1974 superoutbreak....as is shown at this link:

http://www.april31974.com/images/hanover/graves04.jpg


PW

First of all, why is this under "Hollingshead photos"? :lol:

That photo is indeed stolen... But it was submitted by some other storm enthusiast (or even chaser) to be "funny" and act like Billy Griffin. He stole mine and several other chasers back in June and called himself a chaser... And he is the one who "shot" the Benton, KY shot. I can guarantee you it wasn't him that submitted it, neither. It was somebody who posed as him and submitted to be funny...

[Lisa Wadlow]

Umm, check out the "Is this someones picture?" thread in the B&G. OMG.

[Andy Wehrle]

Yeah, I do remember seeing that on there earlier, and the "Billy Griffin" name rang a few bells. Did they take it down already? The only pictures I can find on there out of Benton now are of damage. If so good for them.

[Jeff Snyder]

The Billy Griffin thing has nothing to do with this thread. As others have noted, there's no way of knowing whether he submitted it or if someone else did so to be funny. Regardless, that does not pertain to the subject of this thread, so please refrain from commenting on that while in this thread.

[Aaron Kennedy]

Topic split... look for calendar info in WL.

Aaron